In the last few weeks, three events have occurred that have really made me pause, especially in light of the importance of the coming days.
I was a guest on a podcast called Think Orphan, and I debated an Episcopal priest about whether or not a Christian should support abortion rights.
A few days later, I read this article, which talks about a few evangelical women excitedly pledging their support for those who support a pro-abortion agenda.
And this morning, my pastor forwarded me this article written by an Anabaptist therapist about why she doesn’t normally support pro-life politicians.
I wonder whether or not this is a pattern in America – do many Christians believe that supporting pro-abortion platforms is consistent with Scripture and our faith? Does that even factor into their thinking?
I don’t think the Episcopal priest, the evangelical women, and the Anabaptist therapist are radical, violent, aggressive abortion supporters. They aren’t showing up at women’s marches or writing mean comments on pro-life Facebook pages.
In fact, I find them all to be compassionate, thoughtful people who are expressing their sincere beliefs. I think they all have a deep concern for vulnerable people, for the family, and for our country. To me, they do not represent the talking pro-abortion heads in the media – they represent a cross-section of Americans who believe in God and are working out how Christian compassion manifests itself in government and in the community.
At the same time, I am deeply concerned about their conclusions. To determine that supporting abortion rights is consistent with Christ is to make a very serious moral and scriptural error. So, while I share their deep concern and compassion for people, their fatal conclusions require a response.
I hope you’ll find the podcast helpful, and I’ll comment on the two articles below. If you have friends or loved ones who claim Christ but are supporting pro-abortion platforms, I urge you to share this email and blog post with them. We should gently, carefully, diligently bring them back to truth.
Carolyn Yoder, the Anabaptist trauma specialist who wrote the first article, weaves a rather complicated argument about why she supports a pro-abortion platform. Underneath her argument is the assumption that preborn life has less value than born life. Because she gets that point wrong, the rest of her points are not sustainable.
She admits, “As followers of Jesus, we are to be as pro-life as possible in our complex world… This means no killing. By abortion. Or the death penalty. Or of enemies, even in war.”
She then argues that she can’t find any pro-life candidates, only “pro-birth” or “pro-baby” candidates. And that somehow gives her license to do exactly the opposite of what her faith demands – support those who promote the mass killing of human beings.
Yoder then lists some reasons why she normally supports those who promote a pro-abortion agenda. Let’s look at three.
1. Yoder has worked in various places around the world, ministering to children and families. She appreciates the passion for the preborn but finds compassion lacking for those already born. She has also seen war and turmoil cause substantial damage to families, and that pain has led her to presumably conclude it may be better for some not to be born.
This type of argument is common in America today and is symptomatic of our increasing culture of death. The premise is that it may be better to be dead than alive, if being alive means suffering and pain. This perspective is fraught with extremely dangerous implications.
The Christian worldview is based on Scripture, and Scripture is clear that God is the Creator of life, and He also determines our death (Ecc 8:8). We don’t get to choose which innocent lives get to live and which don’t.
I think Yoder is subtly advocating for population control along the lines of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who had similar experiences as a nurse in poverty-stricken areas of New York City. The idea that we should stop certain populations from breeding through different means sounds compassionate on the surface. Who wouldn’t want to save humans from a terrible life of suffering?
But who makes that call? The government? The rich? The powerful? When people in power take control of who lives and who dies, it never ends well.
The Christian worldview does not promise a life without challenge, suffering, or difficulty. God promises joy and peace, but He also clearly and regularly talks about pain, illness, and poverty as facts of life. At no point does He suggest we should kill people to help them avoid suffering. In fact, He marvelously works His will through suffering.
This in no way means we dismiss suffering or do not make every attempt to alleviate the pain of others. In fact, Christians are called to rescue and redeem, particularly those who are being victimized. But when we use compassion as some twisted rationale for killing human beings, we are no longer talking about compassion. We are talking about playing God.
The Christian rightfully believes the zygote has the same value as the adult. That’s what Scripture teaches us; it’s also what ethics, morality, medicine, and science demand. Thus, suggesting we allow abortion in order to rescue a child from a presumed life of suffering is the very same idea as suggesting we kill a 5-year-old to help them avoid the same fate. A compassionate pro-abortion advocate finds the first merciful and the second reprehensible – for no valid reason.
2. Yoder makes the point that the pro-life politicians she knows are only pro-baby. She contends they tend to vote against “real” pro-life policies such as contraceptives, sex-ed, paid maternity leave, and affordable child care. She also points out that such politicians often support the death penalty and war; thus, according to her, they show an inconsistency in their worldview.
The Christian rightfully believes the zygote has the same value as the adult. Share on XCandidly, even if those points were true, I don’t see why she flips to a pro-abortion position because of them. If a politician votes “pro-baby” but doesn’t vote for universal contraception, why should that mean we support and condone the mass killing of preborn humans? If a politician is anti-abortion but pro death penalty, why should that mean we reject his or her pro-life stance and instead condone preborn genocide?
I admit I get irritated by the “pro-birth” comment. It’s a popular pro-abortion tactic that suggests pro-life people care only about the child before they are born. On the whole, I’ve not found that to be true. I have interacted with dozens of politicians in various states and at the federal level – none of whom want to save babies without also helping those already born, regardless of party.
However, let’s remind ourselves what abortion is. In America, it’s the leading cause of death of human beings. One in three deaths every day is caused by an abortion. As Christians who value the zygote the same as the adult, it should be blatantly obvious why we are deeply concerned about the child. Again, if 1 million toddlers were being killed every year in America, no one would ever say it was wrong to focus on rescuing those children – even if we didn’t provide universal healthcare to them afterwards.
3. Yoder closes her piece by reminding us that Christ’s greatest commandment is to love each other. Well, He actually said the foremost commandment is to love God, and the second command is to love one another. Scripture tells us we love God by obeying His commands. And our God finds it unconscionable to express our love for Him or for one another by killing His divine image bearers.
True Christian love means we walk with, support, and provide for a woman in her crisis pregnancy; and we compassionately help a woman and her child move from dependence to independence. Killing the child is not love, nor is it a solution – it is sin.
True Christian love means we walk with, support, and provide for a woman in her crisis pregnancy; and we compassionately help a woman and her child move from dependence to independence. Share on XLastly, let’s focus our attention on the article about the evangelical women turning from a pro-life political worldview.
The women in the article morally disagree with current policy, “especially separating immigrant children from their parents at the border, banning many Muslim refugees, and disrespecting women.”
“I care as much about babies at the border as I do about babies in the womb,” said Tess Clarke… confessing that she was ‘mortified’ at how she used to vote, because she had only considered abortion policy. ‘We’ve been asleep. Now, we’ve woke up.’”
If Ms. Clarke truly cares as much about babies at the border as she does babies in the womb, then she can’t rationally come to the conclusion she has.
We need to be careful to make right moral priority judgments. A large chorus of Christian voices arose to decry the separation of women and children at the border, and that was a just response. However, to my knowledge, none of the children at the border were murdered. Being separated (and properly cared for during the separation) and being slaughtered are two very, very different actions. They are not morally equal by any measure.
So, in moral gravity and in sheer numbers, abortion in America is a far greater, far more evil situation than the challenges at the border. The border situation is painful to be sure, but abortion in America is genocide.
So, in moral gravity and in sheer numbers, abortion in America is a far greater, far more evil situation than the challenges at the border. The border situation is painful to be sure, but abortion in America is genocide. Share on XTo disagree with pro-life government leaders on other issues is completely understandable. But to radically shift support to an abortion agenda as a response is morally wrong. If babies at the border and babies in the womb truly have the same value, then basic morality requires we work toward solving both issues, understanding that babies in the womb are far, far more at risk. And we can’t justify solving one issue for one group while slaughtering millions of others.
So, what is really going on here? I don’t doubt these women love Christ, their families, and their country. And I think they have every right to be unhappy with our government officials and some of the decisions they make. But is it the right response to reject the plain teaching of Scripture and, I presume, their churches to support preborn genocide?
As with other Christians, my guess is they have bought a subtle lie that babies in the womb really aren’t as valuable as babies at the border. They have forgotten that God creates each child and has a plan for each divine image bearer. They have forgotten that God calls us to be rescuers, particularly of those most vulnerable. And there is no greater example of the vulnerable in America today than a child in the womb and her mother.
I prayerfully hope the Christians in the podcast and these two articles come to see that. We can certainly become a society that works to protect the child while caring for the mom. It’s what I spend my life doing. The faster we all come together to do that – the faster we can truly claim we love one another.
- Beto O’Rourke May Benefit From an Unlikely Support Group: White Evangelical Women
- Blood on Our Hands: 7 Reasons Why I’m a Christian against Abortion Who Doesn’t Vote Pro-life
- Brian Fisher and Kira Schlesinger – Two Perspectives on Abortion, Part 2
Personally, I would say that the concept of “We all have blood on our hands” is unsubstantiated and an exaggeration. Perhaps the clearest and simplest way is to bullet some of the statements she makes with a response: • “Some people use the term ‘completely pro-life . . . This… Read more »
I wish someone would straighten out the progressive “Christian” named Randal Rauser on this topic. He is hardly a torchbearer for the pro-life movement.
Do you truly believe that every zygote is a full human being with, as some suggest, full rights under the U.S. Constitution to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Do you as a Christian believe that every zygote is intended for baptism and heaven? Then what do you say… Read more »
Beloved child of God, I would like to address your question, assuming that you believe the Bible is the Word of God as it says, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God may… Read more »
As a person of faith, it’s hard for me to see the government’s current attempt to criminalize abortion as anything less than an attack on God. I’ve read my NIV and know that thousands of years before Roe v. Wade, the Bible spoke very clearly on the subject of abortion.… Read more »
Hi Jonathan – 1. It is widely disputed and, in most cases, denounced, that the Numbers passage you reference refers to miscarriage or abortion, especially since pregnancy is not even mentioned in that context. Here is just one article explaining that misunderstanding and the flaw in the NIV translation: https://apologeticspress.org/apPubPage.aspx?pub=1&issue=1291&article=2888.… Read more »
Brian I am proud of you! Doing the right thing and doing it for Creator GOD is awesome and rewarding to me, too! The more people the better.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-christianity-and-abortion_us_58f52ed7e4b048372700dab5
Rick – this piece is woefully short on truth and proper biblical perspective. I invite you to read my book, http://www.deliverusfromabortion.com, for a more balanced perspective, and then the Case for Life by Scott Klusendorf.
The challenge is that the terminology of pro-abortion and anti-abortion misconstrues the intent of those who would criminalize abortion. It is all about who controls a womans body. Most Americans believe in freedom. Those whould would think they can get between a woman and her doctor are misguided. If you… Read more »
Rick – I’m not following your point. Is the killing of a preborn child morally right or morally wrong? And how is that related to the intent of those who would criminalize abortion?
I think the author is far too kind. In fact I believe this is a false tolerance at play. . These people are charlatans, sophist and not far from legitimising evil in the modernist obsession with mercy over justice and mercy. Anyone who can form even the remotest argument in… Read more »
The enemy of God deceives even God’s people if they do not seek His Word with the help of the Holy Spirit to verify or denounce what we are thinking, feeling or are being told.
Abortion kills babies. On purpose. But abortion does harm in many other areas of our culture. 1. Abortion has accelerated and normalized promiscuity. The New Testament clearly teaches that Christians must flee fornication. Non-Christians do well to flee fornication as well. 2. Abortion is treated as a back-up when contraceptives… Read more »
I’ve heard of some really awesome answers to prayer in women changing their mind about aborting their child when they see an ultrasound of their baby in their womb. This is an effort that I would fully support. From the news articles I’ve read, they travel around with mobile ultrasound… Read more »
Yes mobile care clinics are great. Of the 14 pro-life clinics Human Coalition operates, 5 of them are pro-life mobile care clinics. It’s a very powerful tool for reaching and serving women and babies.
Their are so many tragic stories of women who had abortions and suffered so much from their decision. The pro-abortionists try to silence the truth and the abortion clinics will assure women that they will live happy, healthy lives IF they just take care of the unwanted ‘fetus’. But later,… Read more »
Psalms 139:14-16 “14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16… Read more »
Even the insects reveal a proper example. Many labor tirelessly to provide for their offspring. work, fight, self sacrifice. Man is simply defiant of nature and God. James 3:9
“Thou Shall Not Kill” innocent blood. We were created to be the care takers of the Earth. The Command was to Multiply. Why anger God with Disobedience to Kill Off what we were Commanded to do. If a Pregnant mother is shot or stabbed into the Womb, now it becomes… Read more »
I believe that abortion is wrong, and that a baby is a child at conception. I will keep praying for Roe vrs Wade to be overturned and that abortion will become illegal again. In the meantime we need to keep our eyes open to help someone who is thinking of… Read more »
Amen.
I see some points in this article but other points are left out. I know many people use Jer. 1:5. however, this is a reference to God ordaining a prophet. Does this mean that God is making 100% of humans prophets? Also I hear arguments like the abortion could kill… Read more »
Hi Eric – yes the comments are moderated but almost all are published. I just needed some time to work through your comments. I won’t get to all of your points, but I hope these follow ups are helpful: 1. I didn’t say nothing else matters. I am saying that… Read more »
Thanks for your reply. I will admit I am surprised that it was approved. I look forward to the rest of your reply!
Also, for those who argue for sex inside of marriage: At my church we used to have a pastor who was engaged. She has moved with her now husband. She mentioned during a sermon she did on sex that her and her fiance decided to wait until they were married… Read more »
I would imagine there are times when sex in marriage is a sin, perhaps if one partner takes advantage of the other or uses sex as an abusive tool. However, the standard God set for sex is inside marriage, thus sex outside of marriage is always sin.
She did mention your point but also said if sex becomes the whole focal point of the marriage or if it becomes an idol and replaces God.
Granted. But my point is sex outside of marriage is biblically wrong. The best way to end abortion is to honor the biblical sexual ethic as a society.
Not sure I would agree with you. I tried to do some research to see how many abortions happen in marriages. Not sure this is the best source or not but found the following: “The World Health Organization and Guttmatcher Institute found that 73 percent of women around the world… Read more »
Sorry for the many replies but I wanted to point out a few things about myself: I was once a pro-life Republican evangelical. In college I even created and held presidency of a conservative club on campus. A lot of this started to change when I took a job teaching… Read more »
If God said to Jerimiah; “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee”, that should be all a professed Christian needs to know, to understand killing a baby in the wound at any stage is murder.… Read more »
I think the argument re being ‘pro baby’ could have some Merritt. And for certain so many say they are probably life but do not do anything to promote this (actually 100% defundi planned Parenthood).. Anyone really born again will quickly be led to love the lives of preborn babies.… Read more »
In the Bible it says in Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I shaped you in the womb, I knew all about you. Before you saw the light of day, I had holy plans for you: A prophet to the nations – that’s what I had in mind for you.” I believe that… Read more »
“Christians” Who are OK with this, makes me wonder which crossed they are following. That being said, not everyone who cries Lord , Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven. We have learned through all these years to distinguish with whom to associate ourselves with, have we not.? To… Read more »
There is nothing Christ like about killing innocent children.
I am a strong believer that abortion is murder. I am pro-life. Babies are gifts from God Almighty. They are human as Psalm 139 declares, God has knit them together in theor mothers womb. They are made in His image. God bless you for what you are trying to do.… Read more »
Yes we need to quit killing Innocent babies. They say we are playing God arent they by abortions? Yes Im pro life and proud of it. they say that pro life people say write mean things on line . don`t they? I could never have children due to medical problems… Read more »
it would probably offend some but so be it. I would rewrite the title of the article and put Christians in parenthesis.. Thus A Respose to .”Christians” Who Support Abortion “Rights.”
As much as I can’t stand hearing that women and men are ok killing a baby just because it is in the womb, I can’t help but think, “These are not the kind of people that we want more of anyway.”
It’s a tough thing to wrestle with.
Abortion is NOT ACCEPTABLE in any form. It is no different than Auschwitz, just is called THE SILENT HOLOCAUST. All who support any form of abortion will have a lot to answer for at the Great White Throne.
I think many Christians who support pro-life candidates will have to answer to God as well. Many of these candidates, while they did indeed support abortion laws or whatever, also supported taking healthcare away from people, cutting programs to programs like food stamps, supporting harsh immigration laws and not being… Read more »
I’d like to address your comment on the following issues, “taking healthcare away from people”, “cutting programs”, and supporting harsh immigration laws”. You appear to be supportive of these issues and state that people that are supportive of them, will need to answer to God. These issues that you listed… Read more »
Until Christian leadership and we as followers of Christ are able to seek and deliver a clear and compelling meesage to government, our culture and underprivileged groups that political power and authority aren’t trustworthy to determine the issues of life or death. We as Evangelical Christians have failed to solve… Read more »
Thank you for posting this. My oldest sister is one of these “Christians” that backs the pro choice agenda. Our family does not understand this stance. I haven’t had the chance to watch the podcast but will certainly forward this email to her in hopes of opening her eyes to… Read more »
Camille – let us know if we can help!
I am sorry but I don’t like how you call your sister “one of those Christians.”
I am a Christian and most certainly believe in Pro-LIfe. Any person claiming to be a Christian and is Pro-abotion is either not saved or are sinning and out of the will of God. God’s word tells us that sin separates us from God and until that sin is confessed… Read more »
Glad you aren’t in charge because prisons would be a lot more filled then they already are about 926,200 abortions performed in the year 2014 (sorry could not find a more recent statistic).
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states
Murder is murder.
Psalms 106:38 “And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.”
Eric is willing to murder the unborn in order to avoid the ‘suggested,’ possible inconvenience of prison capacity issues. Let that sink in.
I do believe that all will change that wade verses roe will be overturned and we can come to our senses. We have to believe that a world without God in it is no world at all.
I can give you many many biblical reasons that abortion is murder. Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Psalm 139:13-16 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted… Read more »
I’ve worked and donate regularly to a Woman’s Crisis Clinic. We worked hard to get donations to fund the operations, help for the mothers, and adoption attorneys, etc. We approached all local churches and politicians. When we noticed the donations, none of the prominent politicians, all Democrats, sent any well… Read more »
Great article, uncovering and addressing multiple issues that are currently divisive in the body of Christ. May the Lord open our eyes to see what He sees. That we all may be one, just like He prayed in John 17. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.
Very good article. It gave me information that can be helpful when discussing this issue with others. It helps to answer these questions. * Who should we vote for? Who should we not vote for? Why? * If you care so much about abortion, why don’t you care as much… Read more »
The children at the border have been uprooted by their parents who should have stayed home and worked to make their own country a good place to raise their children. If they can’t do that, and feel they must come to the U.S. then they need to apply for sanctuary… Read more »
I hope and pray that you never get uprooted and that you don’t ever find yourself in a desperate condition to where you have to flee things like war, economic turmoil, etc. to where you have no choice but to flee your country (like these people had to do) to… Read more »
We can not take in all the children in the world. Who are you to pick and CHOOSE? That is their GOVERNMENT’S responsibility to take care of them. Our tax DOLLARS in the millions go to these countries just for that. Why don’t you worry about taking care of the… Read more »
O. Hallesby 1879-1961 said this, ” If we cannot defend our actions from a moral standpoint, we become the more zealous to defend them on logical grounds.
Fisher suggests that followers of Christ who vote for candidates who identify as pro-choice are supporting a “pro-abortion” agenda and are active participants in fostering genocide. I know devout Christians who are pro-life and believe that the more pro-life candidates in fact may actually be ones who identify as pro-choice.… Read more »
Tim – thanks for writing in. I’m assuming your questions are related to policies such as contraception, which pro-abortion politicians cite as reasons why their policies may reduce abortions, potentially more so than pro-life policies. There are numerous flaws in that logic. Here are a few: 1. Abortion is either… Read more »
This wonderful God sent man is 100% right abortion is evil in everyway and people are lied to all the time about row v wade. God will deal with this government and people who let this go on and fund it.
Even before I became a Christian, when I first herd of this abortion I knew it was murder! How can a mother even think of killing their baby in the womb?? Dear God I pray that many more Christian women will read your article.
Your article is great, and if only the “pro-abortion Christians would take the time to read it, I believe many minds would be changed. That is what has happened with those individuals who have seen the movie “Gosnell”! Many came out with a different heart! (I give the glory to… Read more »
I read it. I posted a comment but I guess it needs to be moderated. Doubt it will be approved though.
I read this Friday night and woke up Saturday morning with more comments to add to this post. Those Christians who are pro-choice tells me they have chosen to put God in a box. The have decided that God us unable to glorify Himself through an unplanned pregnancy. (Mary was… Read more »
No doubt
Amen we must protect our babies and children on either side of the world that’s what we are asked in the Bible teachings
I’m in total agreement that abortion is murder—and I am a registered Democrat. I believe there are many Democrats, who believe as I do. I also believe, there are Republicans, who think abortion is not murder. I also believe that the political office holders of our country feel this way,… Read more »
Jean – stand strong! We need you representing the pro-life position in this age of political polarization.
I am a Christian Catholic and it is murder a baby is baby out of womb or in body
Amen sister.
This is the most articulate article I have read on abortion. Thank you for clearly stating the truth. I will be sharing your article.
Thanks so much Nancie. Glad it was helpful.
God and we are with you on your fight against this evil. God bless you.
I couldn’t agree with you more. Scripture is black and white on this issue as well as the issue of homosexuality. Today’s Christians are so looking for tickling of their ears. (2 Timothy 4:3) Gods word is unchanging and Christians are to remain steadfast in His word!
However many Christians who speak out on homosexuality are on their fourth or fifth marriage. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. But he did on divorce.
Jesus is the Word made flesh and is the Son of the Living God (so technically He wrote the whole Bible). God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this very act (homosexuality) – He literally set them on fire. If the qualifier is that none of us have our own sin… Read more »
It would help a great deal if pro-life politicians would be equally concerned about the already born people. This means promoting safe, clean employment that pays a living wage, insurance and medical benefits for all people and especially those with pre-existing conditions, and a safe and clean environment. It also… Read more »
I agree with you and would add that Christians need to support social welfare programs like SNAP. These programs often feed the kids that the women have that these Christians want to protect in the womb. Also Christians need to stop trying to stop free lunch programs in schools. For… Read more »
This is the “platform” of many Christians these days. I was in a congregation of very left, even Marxist views. I felt totally alone in my convictions. God does not say that we aren’t to kill in war. There is a distinct difference between that and murder, which abortion is.… Read more »
I encourage you to do some research on the church for the first 300 years (before Constantine). They had many requirements to even attend a worship service. One of them was if you were in the military you had to lay down your sword and renounce the military and repent… Read more »
If it wasn’t for the sword, we would not be a nation.
Luke 22:36 “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
I do not and never will support Abortion. Who are we to say to God you did not know what you were doing when you created those babies. Adoption is ALWAYS an alternative to killing an unborn child. I personally do not want their innocent blood on my hands. Thank… Read more »
This country can’t even take in the millions of foster kids in this country and find homes and people to adopt them. I say this because I grew up in the system and was never adopted and knew hundreds of kids during my time in the system that were never… Read more »
I hope you go into politics, Eric, to work at changing some of the overbearing process of adoption. Even group homes, like Christ Home in Warminster, PA would be a better option to the weak system we now have. Thank God there are some really good families that are in… Read more »
I have to many mental health triggers to get into politics. I suffer from Bipolar, PTSD, Serious Depressive Disorder, and I hear voices.
Amen Amen Amen!!! I totally agree! Always do. I pray so often for you Brian and and human coalition. Was just at banquet at Heinz field and am so glad to support. Keep up the work . Thank you for your obedience to Gods call. You are right where you… Read more »
Thanks so much for coming Darcy!
Love most of the article but I would advise you check facts before ascribing evil intent to President Trump. Families separated at the border was done to keep children from going to Jail with their parents. Incidentally, this happens every day to American citizen criminal parents, which is why we… Read more »
Dale – thanks for the comment. I wasn’t ascribing evil to President Trump. I think the Christian community was right to call attention to the way the policy was being carried out (and was before Trump took office), and that he responded accordingly.
Dale is correct. The policy is a correct one. When an adult shows up at the border with a child there is no way to tell if they are parent and child or pedophile/ child sex trafficker and child. They MUST be separated to do the necessary checks to make… Read more »
This policy if separating children from parents at the border was in place during Obama administration. And yes, children here do NOT go to jail with their parents. If you take your child with you to commit a crime, you will be separated if arrested. This a legal, political issue… Read more »
I appreciate that you clarified your comments. I was a Federal Law Enforcement Officer working at the border…..this is not Trump’s doing….Congress is behind this problem and Congress has to fix it……if the people will it so. They make the laws….and if people want them changed there is legitimate means… Read more »
Completely agree and you are welcome. I’m sorry as I think my original copy was not a clear as it should have been.
So, most of these comments and this article made my head hurt, and I’m still amazed that anybody thinks you can legislate abortion into non-existence. You can’t. A woman or girl who doesn’t want to be pregnant will find a way to NOT be pregnant; legally or illegally. Also, most… Read more »
How many of the children brought across in 2014 are today part of MS13 or human trafficking/sex trafficking rings? It is vital that we be cautious. We have a tendency to go to our human reasoning of sympathy for only what we can see in front of us. Job teaches… Read more »
Yes It was done with many presidents and Brian and writer you are both correct they cant come here illegally. These children were probably treated better in those camps at that point then they were before, who knows.
Thank you Brian! Many lose sight of a politician’s full background when going to the polls, unfortunately. We try to make parishioners in our church aware of the pro abortion components of many politicians – at times it is overwhelming. The pulpits are silent. But we will not stop fighting.… Read more »
Thanks Kathy and thanks for coming last night! It was a wonderful event and I’m glad you were a part of it.
I appreciate your very good work. Thank you. The silence of the pulpits is to be highly condemned. We will not stop fighting of course….we must fight for the dominion of Jesus Christ if we are to continue to call ourselves Christian. But I feel strongly (and sadly) that we… Read more »
I know a lot of pulpits are silent or preaching lies. I can say honestly that the pulpit in the church I’m in is NOT SILENT and it’s COMPLETELY TRUE. I’m in a Missionary Baptist Church in Spokane Valley, WA that God ordered me to go to. I joined that… Read more »